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Jessi L. Roberts's avatar

I too am tired of having these "Loki" type villains that one is supposed to feel sorry for. A big problem with them is that if they are defeated, one cannot cheer without seeming like a monster, so this leads to an unsatisfying climax. I think that they work best in a long running TV series where the villain needs to live to fight another episode, and having a more gray villain makes it seem less dumb that the hero let the villain live again.

The only time I see evil villains now in shows seems to be if the villain is a straight white male who is often racist for no reason. (It's interesting that when the evil the villain ascribes to is racism, that is the one kind where they are almost never given a tragic backstory or motive, even though doing so would require almost no imagination.)

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Philipspace's avatar

I thought of two historical figures as I was reading through this, Genghis Khan and the historical Vlad Tepes. I like historical figures as grist for fictional ones, even if they can be far more extreme than the villains a writer might concoct from whole cloth. It can be difficult to imagine greater evil than what has actually existed on the planet.

So Genghis and his warriors were the scourge of Europe during his day. To have the Huns descending on your village meant almost certain annihilation. You didn’t really stop to consider Genghis’ motives or childhood trauma, surviving his raids was challenging enough.

Conversely Tepes, the historical Dracula, also a pretty ruthless SOB who seems to get humanized a bit more these days. He defended Wallachia from Saracen invaders and kept the peace after, but performed these functions in the most viciously brutal way imaginable. If you had Vlad defending your home, you’d want him to be the meanest mofo who ever wore plate armor, but you also wouldn’t want to be caught, say, breaking the law under him, either.

If you were one of the unfortunate Saracens facing him though… yikes.

Both villains in their own right, but depending on your proximity to them, one could be seen as the more sympathetic — more human— than the other I think.

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